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Pagan no longer a Clemson commit

Jeoffrey Pagan at Asheville

The Tigers have moved on from their recruitment of defensive end Jeoffrey Pagan.

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Paul Strelow is national recruiting reporter for 247Sports

    • Well, SOB.

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        CUTigers24

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      • Wish we could have kept him. But at least this was resolved in time to use a scholarship on someone else.
        Rod Byers, come on down.

          SGillespie

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        • Paul,

          Why would Dabo go through an in-home visit to give this info to a prospect? Or did the prospect tell the staff that he's probably going to sign w/UGA?

            floodcock

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          • A coach wouldn't "go through" an in-home visit to relay that info, per se.

            Clemson went into that visit looking to shore up Pagan's public commitment to them. I don't know whether Pagan flat-out told Clemson coaches he was going to sign with Georgia, but by meeting's end, they apparently felt pursuing him was no longer worth their effort.

            And they weren't going to keep their name in the ring, so to speak, just so that Pagan could put on the Georgia hat next Wednesday for a signing day "surprise."

            If Pagan wasn't going to honor his commitment and, as I'm told, wasn't very forthcoming about his intentions, then Clemson didn't feel it owed it to him to play along.

              Paul Strelow

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            • Paul,

              F/U question: How quickly do the Tigers go after Rod Byers? Sounded earlier like they might wait a few days on Dukes and Adams.

                floodcock

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              • floodcock,

                Have to admit, I did a double-take at F/U.

                It depends on how their in-home went with Dukes today. If Dukes gave them a strong indication he is headed elsewhere, then it could be as early as tonight (or, more likely, Friday).

                If Clemson feels it's still in the game, they wait till a Dukes decision, which Tony Morrell reported could come as early as Monday.

                I don't feel Dukes will drag coaching staffs out till a signing day announcement -- suspect Manning coach Robbie Briggs wouldn't allow that to happen, if nothing else -- so I would think Clemson could move on Tuesday at the latest, should all that unfold.

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                • I guess will know the deal with with Dukes, Clowney, and Adams when Dabo pulls their offers. Clemson can't complain if they become Gamecocks, not with the class they are signing, 4 5-star players, who does that? I don't ever remember that happenning

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                  • Paul Strelow said...

                    floodcock,

                    Have to admit, I did a double-take at F/U.

                    censored Follow up man..... follow up!

                    I sure would like to see Clemson offer Byers. Don't think he'll like being 3K miles away from his family just b/c he and Clowney don't get along.

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                    • Brooster said...

                      I guess will know the deal with with Dukes, Clowney, and Adams when Dabo pulls their offers. Clemson can't complain if they become Gamecocks, not with the class they are signing, 4 5-star players, who does that? I don't ever remember that happenning

                      I think we're talking a little different circumstances here.

                      Marlin Lane and Jeoffrey Pagan were both on the board as commitments and maintaining they were committed publicly.

                      It's one thing for a commit to simply pick another school over you. It's another when the kids are telling coaches/fans/media they are Clemson commits yet are really jerking their chain and have different intentions.

                      So to insinuate that, in these specific instances, Clemson has acted to strictly save face would be missing the boat, IMO.

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                      • floodcock said...

                        censored Follow up man..... follow up!

                        I sure would like to see Clemson offer Byers. Don't think he'll like being 3K miles away from his family just b/c he and Clowney don't get along.

                        Gut feeling is they will offer Byers. Just a matter of when.

                        Thinking out loud here, wouldn't you want to reduce the amount of time Oregon would have to put together a counter-pitch? That would be my strategy, while conversely not offering close enough to signing day that Byers felt pressured to make a decision that instant.

                        Or, do you reach out to him Friday night and pull him in for an 11th-hour official visit this weekend? ...

                          Paul Strelow

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                        • I think we need to get Byers on campus to actually land him.

                          • If we're truly his dream school then maybe it won't matter. But I'm with you. We need to get him on campus ASAP.

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                            • Brooster said...

                              I guess will know the deal with with Dukes, Clowney, and Adams when Dabo pulls their offers. Clemson can't complain if they become Gamecocks, not with the class they are signing, 4 5-star players, who does that? I don't ever remember that happenning

                              Huh?

                              In what scenario can Sakerlina have 4 5-star players? The only 5 star they will have will be Clowney among all the services and maybe Scout or Espn which I don't follow may have Shell as a 5-star. So who does that? Not Sakerlina.

                              Clemson on the other hand has a pretty decent chance to finish with 4 5-star players be Rivals rankings - Watkins, Bellamy, Anthony and Steward.

                                slingle

                              • Slingle,

                                In the interest of peacekeeping, I think Brooster was saying Clemson cannot complain if those players (Clowney, Dukes, etc) become Gamecocks because Clemson is already signing an inordinate number of 5-star guys.

                                That's how I read it, at least, although I can see how it might be interpreted differently.

                                  Paul Strelow

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                                • Paul Strelow said...

                                  Slingle,

                                  In the interest of peacekeeping, I think Brooster was saying Clemson cannot complain if those players (Clowney, Dukes, etc) become Gamecocks because Clemson is already signing an inordinate number of 5-star guys.

                                  That's how I read it, at least, although I can see how it might be interpreted differently.

                                  In reading it again I believe you are right.

                                  The whole "Dabo pulling offers" anecdote, which has no fact basis other than Kornblutt's spurious "insider" information, along with some unclear punctuation and pronoun usage had me interpreting it differently.

                                  Of all of Clemson's many faults over the last 10+ years, pulling offers on a few recruits hasn't seemed to be one of them. I can't remember a recruit we pulled an offer for some type of red flag issue ever been successful at another program.

                                  This post was edited by slingle on 1/27/2011 at 10:30 PM

                                    slingle

                                  • Maybe it's just me, but I think there is, or should be, a difference in ...

                                    A. "Pulling" an offer late from a kid who you don't believe is worth the scholarship, but you took him early based on a missed evaluation.
                                    B. "Pulling" an offer from a kid who publicly says he's committed to you but is not being forthright in his intentions, jerking you around and/or using you for leverage or signing day entertainment value.
                                    C. "Pulling" an offer, for hypothetical example, from Jadeveon Clowney when you have no shot to get him.

                                    To some degree, it's great business for folks like me when kids play the game and stretch their recruitment out till the end. But if I'm a coach, all I'm hunting for is the truth. And if a kid is lying to me, where's the impetus to be kind/patient and let him have his moment? In these two instances, I actually find Clemson's actions sorta refreshing.

                                      Paul Strelow

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                                    • Paul Strelow said...

                                      Maybe it's just me, but I think there is, or should be, a difference in ...

                                      A. "Pulling" an offer late from a kid who you don't believe is worth the scholarship, but you took him early based on a missed evaluation. B. "Pulling" an offer from a kid who publicly says he's committed to you but is not being forthright in his intentions, jerking you around and/or using you for leverage or signing day entertainment value. C. "Pulling" an offer, for hypothetical example, from Jadeveon Clowney when you have no shot to get him.

                                      To some degree, it's great business for folks like me when kids play the game and stretch their recruitment out till the end. But if I'm a coach, all I'm hunting for is the truth. And if a kid is lying to me, where's the impetus to be kind/patient and let him have his moment? In these two instances, I actually find Clemson's actions sorta refreshing.

                                      Agree with everything you said. Scenario A. just seems unethical even if it happens a lot. There should be a quid pro quo there on a commitment even if staff realizes it missed on its initial evaluation - feel like this might be the case with Maybank where Clemson would really like to have that 'ship back for Byers now but are sticking with him. Scenario C. is just a pride move which I think can hurt you with high schools just because it seems petty. Clemson should recruit the Clowney's of the world until they tell them not to recruit them anymore.

                                      Then there is scenario B. where Clemson has seemingly been on the right side of equation.

                                      And was just wondering if you had anymore information behind the whole Pagan situation? I've heard several different scenarios some of which seemed more underhanded than just a teenager being unsure and/or wanting attention.

                                        slingle

                                      • Speaking generally and not about this instance, you hear a lot of stuff in this business.

                                        It would be unethical and unfair to divulge a lot of it without having concrete evidence to support it. After all, anytime Team A loses a recruit it thinks it has to Team B, don't fans for Team A immediately believe Team B is cheating/done something sketchy to land said recruit? Certainly sour grapes fuels plenty of unsubstantiated rumor.

                                        Which isn't to insinuate these actions don't occur. But without proof -- and it's not as if reporters, much less the NCAA, can subpoena the necessary info -- it would be reckless to spread even anonymously sourced accusations (that would automatically be assumed true by the public).

                                        This post was edited by Paul Strelow on 1/28/2011 at 10:26 AM

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