In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 218
Online now 122 Record: 3605 (4/12/2012)
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
It certainly is better than what the Big East has. But 1:00 on NYD is not and never has been prime time. The OB took us because it automatically put them into the semi-final rotation. I would love to know if we even discussed it with the Sugar Bowl...
If it was a top tier game, why was it announced for 1:00 before the other games were set? That is the worst of the 3 time slots.
My question is 'Could the ACC have done better?' I think that the answer is yes. I think we rushed to get a deal done. A ND tie in does help some, but if it is a 9-3 ACC team vs a 8-4 ND team, the ratings will stink to high heaven.
Also, people are not going to flock to the orange bowl unless it is a semi-final site. No way an ACC team out of the running will fill the Orange Bowl. Now, if in addition to this, the ACC announces new tie-ins with the Citrus or Outback bowls, I would be pretty happy. However, if the Chick-Fil-A gets in the rotation, we will be left with terrible bowl tie-ins.
Again, maybe this is the best the ACC could hope for. If so, I think that is a bad sign. Everything that has transpired points toward the ACC falling further behind the big 4 in resources over the next 10 years.
You really don't think a Clemson/Notre Dame, FSU/Notre Dame, or VT/Notre Dame Orange Bowl would have high attendance?
Based on the BCS history, I don't think they are too worried about that happening. However, it is a good deal for us.
Let's see what the guaranteed money is in comparison to the other bowls. Then we will have an idea of how much it will help the ACC compete. There is no denying it beats the alternative of being left out.
FSU/ND might because of the high number of alumni/fans in Florida.
I think the days of Clemson taking 30,000 fans to a bowl game in Miami that is meaningless are over. HDTV, outrageous ticket prices and the high cost of travel will keep attendance down most years. What exactly is the tie-in to ND? They have not had many seasons in the last 10 years that would justify being selected for this bowl.
Show me a bowl game other than the BCS championship that drew teams from 12+ hours away and was sold out over the last 5 years? Rose Bowl? maybe, but you are talking about schools that have significantly larger alumni bases than most ACC schools. Bowl attendance is down. This isn't going to help it in years where there is not a semifinal involved.
Your argument, if true, applies to every bowl then. It doesn't function as an indictment on the Orange Bowl or the ACC's deal with the Orange Bowl.
Forget bowl payouts in the conventional sense. The ACC basically owns this bowl now. The ACC owns the TV rights. Regardless of "payout," the conference makes a ton on this off the top.
The SEC doesn't even have a deal like this. The Champions Bowl is joint ownership between the SEC and the Big 12. As mentioned above, the ACC owns rights to the Orange Bowl exclusively.
That is why I said lets see where the $$$ come out when the details are all finalized. I think that having the TV rights is huge, because attendance is not where the money is in the future.
Didn't I read where the ACC gets "at least 50%" of the TV revenue? If so, I wonder what determines when it goes over 50%? Do you think that total revenue will be higher than the Big 12/SEC bowl revenue? Also, we only get the TV revenue, they will get money from the host city and ticket sales...
Don't get me wrong, I am happy we have it. However, I have not seen anything that makes me think this will help offset the TV revenue difference we have with the Big 4 conferences. We need something to help offset that. I think that ultimately, you will see us have to continue our current path of funding football at a championship level and then funding all our other sports as best we can but without a full commitment.
If I was the ACC, I'd do everything in my power to add two more DECENT teams and get to 16. I'd then be the FIRST to create the 4-team pod system and somehow finagle a 4-team ACC championship. The SEC is where it is today because they were the first to create the championship game. It's time the ACC do something "first" of their own.
The Angry Clemson Fan | 247Sports
So does this deal with the Orange Bowl nix all the Big 12 talk or what?
You could easily do this. Create 4 pods and rotate their cross play every year. Schedule the 11th week of the season to be home for pods A&C and away for pods B&D. Then after the 10th week, match up A&B 1-4 and C&D 1-4. That essentially gives you a semifinal game in the conference and doesn't break any rules.
I think that the ACC also needs to give up the idea of permanent opponents from another division if they go to 16 and a pod system. You have to have maximum flexibility IMO.
That would be proactive and might get us some better bowl tie-ins as well. That is a key in the new world and we need to be working on that right now.
The ACC owns the Orange Bowl TV rights..ie 100%.
I don't see any reason to go to the Big 12 at this point. SEC, yes. But not Big 12.
If the ACC Champ is 8-4, then they don't deserve more money and shouldn't expect attendance/viewership - and there will be nobody to blame but themselves....period. Not Swofford. Not their respective presidents. Not ND. Not the SEC. Not any other conference.
The bottom line is that teams have to do their part now. Clemson, FSU, VT have to win football games...and win bowls. Nobody cares about a 10-3 conference champ from any conference. That's how things fall into place.
Regarding ND... Some of you need to get a grip. ND draws eyeballs - eyeballs draw $$$... Period. If ACC teams do their part and you have a 10-2 Clemson/FSU vs ND at anywhere from 8-4 to 12-0, eyeballs will watch. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. Fans will travel as well. It's NYD, not wed the following week. Most are already off. Plus you'll spend NYE in Miami. Plus, when was the last time we played ND?
Tim Matyaszek | Clemson 247Sports | Twitter: @Tim_Matty247
Managed and marketed properly this could be a money maker. An Orange Bowl revitalization to the old glory years of the OB if you will.
According to the ESPN article, we get a 'minimum of 50%' of the TV revenue...
The Discover Orange Bowl will be played on New Year's Day at 1 p.m. ET and annually feature a team from the Atlantic Coast Conference beginning after 2014 as a result of a 12-year agreement announced Tuesday by the ACC and the bowl's committee.
I agree, but the key is where will it be in respect to the Rose and Big 12/SEC in terms of revenue. If it isn't higher than them, then we still are going to be behind them from a revenue standpoint. Hopefully, this is something that can generate revenue above what they get.
BINGO! I'm not sure why people aren't seeing this. This cozy relationship with the OB means nothing if the other four big conferences are getting bigger checks for their similiar anticipated deals.
I read where someone posted that if the ACC champion was not in the semi's the year the Orange hosted, the Rose/Sugar/Fiesta would be required to take them...
Is that correct?
Also, "ACC controls TV rights to Orange Bowl"... That's great, b/c the ACC did such a good job with the conference's TV contract.
I have other thoughts on why this whole OB thing is nothing more than "smoke and mirrors", but I'll save that for a little later.
the SEC is where it is today because it has a lot of big-money power programs, and they used that to get a big TV deal with ESPN. the championship game didn't make the SEC. that is crazy.
i only read the last page of this thread and i am dumbfounded that someone could see this deal as bad for the ACC. it's like some of y'all want to leave the ACC so badly that you refuse to recognize a single positive thing happening for the ACC.
This post was edited by FabulousTiger 21 months ago
I think that means the ACC will keep 50%, and distribute the rest to the Orange Bowl (which partially gets distributed as a part of the "payouts" to the two bowl participants (which, for the ACC team, goes back to the conference)).
Previously, these TV rights were owned by the BCS.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RGClemson05 21 months ago
this is so stupid. all NYD games are great games. the 8:00 game is bigger than the 1:00 game, yes. but having a miami bowl game on NYD at all is a big deal. i can't believe there are people stupid enough to think that the orange bowl is bad because it's at the wrong time of day on freaking new year's day.
and of course the ACC is "second tier." do you really dispute that? the SEC/B12/PAC/BIG10 all draw better ratings. no shit.
...and partnering with Notre Dame will function to close that gap.
Completely agree. This is Swofford's final attempt to keep a conference together, and it isn't much of one, IMHO. Can't wait to hear what you have to say, Coach Rob.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports