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I'm not sure the significance of Notre Dame potentially taking their Olympic sports to the B12 is grasped.
There have been rumblings for months by various sources and other sites that Notre Dame would hitch it's wagon to the ACC. Even other Clemson sites have proclaimed this.
If Notre Dame takes their Olympic sports to the B12 or anywhere other than the ACC it will start a seismic shift that in most I've talked to signal the beginning of the end of the ACC. Mind you this wouldn't matter if any ACC schools stayed or left the ACC simply put it seems to be widely believed that this is the only thing to save the ACC at this point. Simply put no ND means the ACC marches ahead four conferences behind in the BCS order. Here's another good question- why hasn't anyone asked John Swofford if he's courting Notre Dame? I know you might get a canned response but still, ask.
Lastly have you ever asked yourself why Mike Slive would have a champions bowl, partner up with the Big 12? A conference with TEN TEAMS like the Big 12 and not the ACC? I can tell you for sure there is zero chance the Big 12 starts the 2013 without 12 teams and a conference championship game. Simple math will tell you they leave millions of dollars on the table. Their TV contract still isn't signed either. Hey, why not go ahead sign it if you're happy with 10 teams right? Can't be the complicated right ?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Cory Fravel 2 years ago
So how do you see this playing out?
Also, was there any information that was obtained about the discussions that took place of the Athletic Advisory Council, or whatever it's called?
What have your Clemson sources been saying about the thinking of the BOT?
If ND leaves the Big East, the first thing that happens is the Big East reconfigures. There has always been a stark divide between the basketball schools and the football schools. Without ND as the glue holding it together, the league may split and the football side becomes a new version of Conference USA and the bball teams configure into a new A10.
It'll cause HUGE waves throughout the Non-AQ conferences.
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My Texas contact has been talking to me for months about how confident folks in Austin have been that ND was coming in some fashion to the Big 12.
It was never about traditional rivalries or geography or ND wanting to be in a conference with other private schools. ND knows that, eventually, they will have to play football in a conference and the Big 12 is the only one which allows schools to have their own network. It is that simple. That is what matters.
20 years from now, when people look back and evaluate things, it will be determined that the Big 12 had the best model for structuring a conference. Schools retaining their 3rd tier rights, which seemed controversial because it caused A&M and Mizzou to hit the bricks (even though they voted for it), will actually be viewed as a masterstroke. It will have greatly benefited every Big 12 member, including Clemson.
Not a peep about the AAC meetings.
Not a word? Doesn't that seem a little odd?
So could this be the weekend that we see the dominos start to fall....?
What has ND have to gain coming to the ACC?? I see nothing...if it happen then the ACC would be saved..plus a new contract with ESPN...looking at another side of ND coming to the ACC, their football schedule would be easy compared to the Big 12.
Which schools in the Big 12 are Private? Just TCU & Baylor, right?
Yes. All the others are public.
This was posted by Bobby Burton on our board today. Take it for what it's worth.
This is what I am told on realignment. I have excellent sources from a Texas perspective but I am not going to sit here and say I know what everybody else thinks/knows, etc. I think there are too many moving pieces to understand and grasp it all.
Here's what I believe.
It's not going to be Clemson. It's not happening there.
As ut755 has said and my sources have said this all along, it's about the dollars. You can like that ideology or not, but that's the reality of the decision makers.
And if anybody thinks this is Bob Bowlsby's decision, well it is... to the point that he wants Texas and OU as part of the conference.
That takes us to Notre Dame.
The hang up with Notre Dame will always be number of games played and who they are played against.
Notre Dame wants Texas or OU (or both) every year but only wants to rotate 1 or the other or both, plus another for 3 games.
So the Irish are said to want 3 games max and them only to be certain teams (or at least two of them). The Irish also want to be cleared to play non-league games in Texas at JerryWorld/Reliant/Alamodome.
The Big 12 at large wants Notre Dame to rotate teams evenly every year and play six games. That is not going to happen in two ways, a) not the six games and b) not rotating teams evenly because Notre Dame wouldn't come with those demands.
Notre Dame would use its leverage to alter the requests somewhat, cede to some requests of the Big 12, but not all.
Texas and OU, while within the Big 12, have somewhat different desires. Texas and OU want some sort of consistent agreement that they are involved annually, even if it's a rotation of some sort between the two. Of course, Texas wants an annual game with ND (what amounts to a home and home) that could rotate between either Austin and South Bend with the Austin game on Thanksgiving.
What you're looking at in total, after negotiation, is the likelihood of four Notre Dame games annually against the Big 12. Those games would include Texas/OU and either 3, 2 or 1 at large (FSU possibly being a full-time playing partner).
So why four games and not 3?
The value of 4 games, two of which would be Big 12 home games annually, surpasses the "accretive" threshold for the conference, when looked at in totality. In other words, it makes financial sense.
Where does this leave FSU? FSU can get an invite to the Big 12 if it wants one is what I am told based on financial numbers. If FSU wants in, then the discussion becomes whether the league, in total, wants to move to 12 teams.
While Texas and OU do not want 12 and a conference championship game, they are not "adamantly" opposed to the point of leaving the conference. That's where someone like Louisville or Georgia Tech become attractive as 12th team, not Clemson as originally thought. Given the landscape of college athletics, my bet would be on Louisville, not Ga Tech and not Clemson.
Will all or any of this happen?
I don't know. But those are some of the parameters under discussion.
Much of this is rehash from what I've written before but given what people are saying, I felt like a lot of it needed to be scoped out again.
9 and 4 at Texas sucks!
- Jeff Howe
Maninblack, thanks for the information. Does Burton give any more explanation as to why GT or Louisville is a more attractive option for expansion? Thanks.
So I don't know a ton about Bobby Burton but running this through my Chip Brown filter I'd say Texas is trying to get Clemson to stop dragging their feet by putting it out there that we are not an option, that or.... he genuinely believes Clemson isn't an option. Hard to make an educated guess on him without a larger sample size of his past rumors.
Bobby has sources but so do a lot of people. I don't know what is happening but from reading a lot of different things I don't agree with him. Now I'm not saying what he's reporting is wrong. He's just reporting what he's been told. If it turns out to be true then it validates that he has great sources. If it doesn't then he was either being lied to, used or his sources were being lied to or used. Or they suck which I don't believe.
I also don't believe Notre Dame will have a willing conference with that many demands either. Texas and OU are only 2 votes.
One of three scenarios here:
1) This is another Greg Swaim-esque ploy to get Clemson to get their shit together.
2) Clemson is slowing this process down to aim for a spot in the SEC
3) Clemson has decided to fade and die in the ACC
I'd give all equal credence at this time.
Thanks for stopping by Mainblack.
1- There's no scenario where the Big 12 has 11 teams. No way they pass up the money for a championship game. Also FSU would not want to pass on that money either. Could you elaborate on a discussion of how going to 11 teams would make sense. Is aq gone now?
2- Explain to me how FSU rationalizes having no one in their footprint to recruit with. They put themselves on an island by if they are alone. Why not just take Louisville and VT to have for WV?
3- IF, Louisville were to be selected it would only be as a concession for someone. They simply don't belong in the conversation with FSU, Clemson, VT etc as an expansion partner.
so it's happening, it might be happening, or it's not happening?
I stand corrected. That information is over a week old. From about the same time as the Greg Swaim tweets.
That makes more sense if the case...part of the same prodding and misinformation campaign.
Thanks for clarifying Maninblack and also thanks Cory and ACF for elaborating further.
Laxer- this has been Texas 247 for a week at least. Nothing new
Just some things to keep in mind...
1. Information has become quite scarce, as some of you can attest. I was told early on the price for talking at Clemson was termination. I think we have gone back to that mentaility somewhat.
2. What has changed, really? Nothing. No one out of CU's administration of BOT has expressed long term commitment to the ACC. As a matter of fact, Wilkins made it a point to say 5-6 times that, "Clemson IS IN the ACC". Think legal.
3. It has been reported from early on that FSU and CU were #'s 11 and 12. ND has always been 13. However, news about ND will always grab headlines first. ND has to be 13, b/c there is no title game with 10.5 or 11.5 teams.
4. Once ND commits Olympic sports to Big 12, Swofford and the ACC are exposed and things move quickly.
5. Member schools have legal guns out, b/c CU and FSU leaving will ruin them... mainly b/c it could start a domino effect involving other "desired" schools.
6. The new BCS format may actually help FSU/CU legally, b/c they may have just cause to look around.
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Bobby posted that today not from a week ago. Bobby's sources general feeling this whole time has more or less matched that post but it is new.
As to your earlier post I agree with you. I don't see anyway FSU leaves by themselves without specific promises that they won't be left alone in the Southeast. Even then it's a huge gamble for them. That's one of the reasons I think Bobby's sources are wrong or misleading.
Correct, kind of rehash of his thoughts. I think the 11 teams etc just seems off. Thanks for the insight.
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