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Just read yesterday on Collegefootballnews.com (see front page sidebar column: "ACC Surprise Team") about a largely undiscussed reason why there may well have been a change of heart at Clemson and FSU toward the Big 12. The emphasis on how the playoffs were formatted meant few actually looked at the conference revenue potential from the 2014 arrangement. The ACC stands to gain substantial revenue because of FSU, Miami, Va. Tech and surprisingly Pitt and Syracuse. Clemson's record doesn't hurt either. Swofford may have lost the format battle, but he was smart enough to arrange the revenue distribution so the ACC comes out like a bandit!
While I totally agree that ND is "playing the ACC and Big 12" while awaiting a new NBC contract, I also believe Swofford could really move agresssively and "swallow his pride" to invite WVU and either Louisville, Rutgers or South Florida to join the ACC immediately. By doing so he undercuts the Big 12 expansion into the ACC footprint and stablizes the conference. At that point the commissioners should forcefully seek his retirement!
WVU has reportedly been invited already and declined.
Louisville, Rutgers or South Florida bring NOTHING to the ACC...nothing.
seriously doubt that.
Louisville could add a bit to the pot. Not sure about USF or Rutgers.
If you're going to add another NE team like Rutgers, why not be more open to the Big 12?
The problem for Clemson and FSU is the uncertain circumstance surrounding Notre Dame. Until the Big 12 decides what direction they are headed the two schools are "out on a limb" and awaiting outcomes. At the same Swofford clearly understands the ACC can't afford to lose either so the conference is also actively pursuing the Irish! Without the Irish Swofford still recognizes Clemson and FSU could depart unless the ACC brings at least one other football focused school into the mix. I clearly recognize that neither Rutgers or S. Florida are appealing, but beyond Louisville who does the ACC go after? WVU is the obvious choice, but the academics of the ACC don't want either Louisville or WVU because neither adds any academic value to the conference.
The original point of the post was to allow posters to read the referred article on the other site. It makes a lot of sense, especially when one simply views the entire situation from the BCS steering decision making at either institution.
First, that article is looking at 'proposed' or 'hypothetical' revenue distribution model. Nothing is in stone yet.
Second, do you think the model will always be based on that time frame? If it is, do you think the ACC will continue to rank as highly as it does now?
Third, that model still leaves us behind our primary recruiting competitor and coaching hire competitor: The SEC
Fourth, since that model will require factoring in each future season, it is not a STABLE source of income. TV contracts are a stable source of income.
Certainly that model would help us in the short term, but it would do nothing to close the gap on our primary competitor. I would need to see how the final rules are written, but you have to believe they settle on a 10 year performance history or something similar.
See the attached article for the actual list and numbers. You will see we are behind the Big 12 in total points, but ahead in the rankings count. However, in both we are DRAMATICALLY behind the SEC. In other words, they will be receiving substantially more money than anyone else from the start...
A college football playoff could generate $400 million annually. And how would it get distributed? Brett McMurphy learns one scenario would be based upon past performance, which would benefit the power conferences.
Why in the hell would WVU want to be in the ACC? Academic prestige? Gimme a break.
I'm not offering the original point to have a running disagreement, but to bring input such as that offered by 89 Tiger. I have no doubt the format for revenue distribution will eventually be revised, but Swofford clearly worked hard to make certain the ACC got as much of the initial revenue cut as possible. I'm not opposed to Clemson's departure to the Big 12, but until matters are resolved among the competing parties Clemson and FSU would be very wise to act with care and deliberateness.
I don't find fault with a delay in making a final decision as the outcome will impact both the institutions and conferences for decades to come. The Big 12 may be regretting their pandering to Notre Dame in the long run and we can only hope Clemson's leadership makes sound decisions.
This post was edited by RRFTigerfan 22 months ago
You have a good understanding to the situation. Because it does not matter how much more money you make, if it does not cut into the gap of the other conferences. Just making more money and having the SEC make even more money does not help.
probably has a lot to do with the reason they are trying so hard to bring FSU/CU with them to B12. i'd imagine it's tough to be in a conference when you're on an island.
This post was edited by FabulousTiger 22 months ago
the fact that it's coming from entirely b12/wvu sources, who have intentionally leaked that info not only to friends/insiders, but to people who they know will immediately go and post it all over the internet
""swallow his pride" to invite WVU"
WVU has signed a 6 year Grant of Rights with the Big 12. I think some of you need to read up on what that means.
All ten Big 12 members have signed a Grant of Rights for the next 6 years. The league now owns all tv rights covered by the Big 12 contract. This renders them value-less to a new league for the length of the grant.
WVU is in debt to the Big 12 for the Big East buyout as well.
Add in a larger Big 12 payout and it makes zero sense for them to leave.
it is amazing that people believe WV would leave the Big12 for the ACC before they even arrived after the ACC turned them down, they've signed a deal with the Big12, and received a loan from the Big12.
BCS/playoff revenue does not solve the larger issue of tv money, a 9 game conf schedule pushed by the ACC, and the revenue split from bowl money.....nor does it solve having to deal with the incompetent ACC offices who favor basketball.
1- All that money is shared by 14 ACC members and is actually behind the Big 12 in ranked teams per member if it is the list I am thinking about. Payout likely would correspond with the per member number. It's easy to have a larger raw total with 4 more members.
2- If it is done by points (#1 ranking is 25 points, #25 ranking is 1 point) then the ACC gets killed by the top 4 and the Big 12 is either 1 or 2.
3- If it is by average computer ranking each year the Big 12 and SEC are neck and neck for #1. The ACC is a distant fifth.
There really isn't any likely way the ACC comes out on top here.
Sure there is albeit a long shot. Bring in Notre Dame.
Notre Dame would help the TV contract but not the playoff situation. I was talking about the revenue from the playoff.
I'm going to agree with TY until he "forgives me" for blaming Texas and Oklahoma for the delay. WVU has been contacted by Swofford twice and twice Jim Clements has turned the ACC down. Why? Money. $7-$9 million more in the Big 12 than in the ACC. The GoR doesn't go into effect until July 1.
I've heard many people talk of how the ACC "won" in the new playoff format. The reason many believe that is misleading as the formula used Miami's early success when they come over from the Big East to predict access to playoff money. They used BCS results from the start but that's not always going to help the ACC. Take those first few years out and see where the ACC is and then decide.
ND's decision is close. I don't trust them and neither does WVU. They could join the Big 12 as an associate member or join the ACC. There's no predicting what they will do.
I assume you mean join the acc in non-fb? This likely doesn't affect their tv money bottom line enough to stop departing schools- right?
F the ACC. Even if the playoff is a huge influx of cash it'll still be less than the other major conferences. The playoff doesn't change anything. Wait, yes it does. It makes the Big 12 even a more desirable option. Now, is the Big 12 too stupid to invite some good southeastern schools? Answer: Looks like yes.
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