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So now that the presidents have decided on a 4 team playoff for at least 12 years - the next question becomes the details.
What we know:
- Automatic qualifiers are gone (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8099205/college-football-time-celebrate-approval-four-team-playoff)
- A lot more money is involved
- A committee will select the 4 participants
- The committee will use the following criteria: Wins/Losses; Strength of Schedule; Head-to-Head match-ups; Conference Champions
Looking at the last season, the following match-ups would have potentially been in place:
1. LSU vs 4. Stanford
2. Alabama vs 3. Oklahoma State
1. LSU vs 10. Wisconsin
3. Oklahoma State vs 5. Oregon
What we don't know is the details of the future 'selection committee'. How many members will the committee have? Who will be on the committee? Will there be any transparency in their selection process? Can we ensure objectivity and not pursuit of their own self-interest? How much weight will each component above (W's/L's; SOS; H-2-H; Conf Champs) have on the selection process? What impact will the polls have? How will the revenue be distributed? Will there be 'fair access' to all schools? Although on the surface the new playoff sounds like a great idea, and a much better idea than the BCS - the Devil is certainly in the details. These are all questions and details that need to be answered.
Tim Matyaszek | Clemson 247Sports | Twitter: @Tim_Matty247
Agreed...look forward to seeing the details come out....still think an ACC school will need to go undefeated to get into this final four.
Let's say all 4 components are weighted equally. If true, who you play comprises 50% of the formula for the playoffs.
We also know Pac12-B10 and SEC-B12 have an alignment as well. Also it will be interesting to see who the ACC lines up with.
Critical for our survival. The ACC must align with the SEC, B1G, or B12 in some way shape or form. If we align ourselves with the BE, we're dead in the water.
My immediate thoughts are;
How do you select nonbiased people that are knowledgeable and not in the pockets of the Tv powers?
The distribution within the distribution is what I am concerned about, in other words we already know the ACC shares all TV money will equally, but is this the gamechanger that rewards those schools that are football schools more based on performance ? Swofford could turn this thing around and keep us, Va Tech, and FSU happy by giving out the new money from this to those schools that actual perform and care about football.
Does the SOS issue have a deeper impact on the Big 12 or ACC? Given the fact the ACC intends to go to a 9 game schedule and the Big 12 doesn't, If Clemson, FSU, and Georgia Tech keep thier instate games with rivals in the SEC, an ACC school might have a better chance of getting into the playoffs with a one loss than an undefeated Big 12 school who has played 4 patsies on the schedule and no championship game.
It strikes me the above thought process says the Big 12 must expand to 12 teams or is so deeply mired in the thought of a partial Notre Dame partnership with some football games or it will not be a factor in years that Texas or Oklahoma are not undefeated or one loss teams.
you can look at last season and see that's not the case. VT was ranked well ahead of wisconsin going into the conf champ games, with a loss. clemson may have also been ahead of wisconsin before our second loss.
But with SOS being a factor, there is no doubt that - even with a higher ranking - the selection committee would have taken Wisconsin over Clemson. That is the potential problem the ACC will now face. The obvious fix to that is - get better. Clemson, FSU, Miami and other teams (UNC, GT, etc..) all have to start winning. And no only in conference, but they need to beat their OOC opponents as well. The perception of the ACC needs to change or Clemson (and the rest of the ACC) will be in a very difficult position of needing to go undefeated year-in and year-out for a chance at the playoff. And even an undefeated record won't guarantee a spot at the moment.
but how can you change your OOC opponents when the conf is tying us up with 9 conf games????
So in an odd yr we could have 4 conf home games, 5 conf away games...and hopefully we line it up right so the SC game is at home that yr. How can you then add in another OOC game to that mix? It's going to be very very tough to do. You're going to have to get home games to insure you have 7 home games for revenue. This 9 game conf schedule is a nightmare and it hurts the conf much more than it helps.
There is no aligning with the other conferences...they've already picked their dance partners for this round. The SEC picked the Big12....the Pac and B1G have long ago aligned. We are left with.............................................................................................................................
The ACC will have to change the way money is shared for it to work with 9 conference games, simply put.
With the strength of the conference being the weakest of the Big 5, it must be a priority for Clemson & FSU - if the choose to stay put in the ACC - to fight tooth and nail for 8 conference games. This is a concession that both schools cannot compromise with the ACC on...period.
Isn't the new ACC TV contract based on 9 conference games? If so, no way that is changing. If it did, it would reduce the TV contract...
It is amazing the mess we are in with the ACC and the tv deal. The tv deal was agreed upon without the approval of the TWO largest revenue producers for the conference and then they told us to deal with it....tough that's the way it is.
I hope you guys join our league here in the Big 12. We can probably hook you up with a 8 game slate, strong SOS for those games, and more cash. You'd have the flexibility to schedule teams UGA in that game that you are now having to cancel to play Syracuse every year.
i don't think that's a "no doubt" situation at all. look at wisconsin's schedule.
We actually aren't cancelling that one we are nutting up and playing two OOC SEC teams in 13 and 14, I believe they even agreed to increase the buyout to insure it happens.
It was tougher and stronger than ours. A no doubter.
i disagree. but regardless, again, there is no way you could classify it as a "no doubter."
sagarin ranked wisc's schedule 44th. ours was 43rd. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm (and these rankings were dated after the bowl games, so they included wisc's oregon matchup)
the ncaa's sos ranking had clemson #17, wisc #31. http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2011/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_cumm.pdf
anderson & hester (a bcs poll) had clemson's sos #44, wisc #48 http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html
colley matrix: clemson sos #45, wisc #50 http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html
every single BCS-included ranking that publishes its SOS ratings had clemson's tougher than wisc's. clemson also had a better 'best win" in @VT, than wisc did (mich state).
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by FabulousTiger 22 months ago
The selection committee is all about perception. The B1G is a tougher conference and Wiscy were the champs. Therefore there schedule will have been perceived as tougher. We don't even know how much the polls will be taken into consideration. Or if they will at all. That's what makes this committee a slippery slope - and the details so important.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Tim_Matty 22 months ago
okay man. i'm sure the committee would have ignored every single SOS ranking and decide that wisconsin's SOS was better in a "no brainer."
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by FabulousTiger 22 months ago
I'm not sure you understand that the computer's SOS will most likely not matter to the committee. If they don't agree with the computers (which happens all the time in football & basketball) their opinion will win out.
I don't think this is true. Look at the basketball selection committee. SOS plays a big roll in the RPI ratings which they value a lot. Also, the selection committee looks at big wins and bad losses. That ties into SOS perception. I feel the football selection committee will take a similar approach.
Most years Ohio State won't completely suck, which brought down the B1Gs SoS.
However, would the ACC champion have gotten in over LSU, Alabama, Arkasas, and Oklahoma State?
depends what you mean by acc champion. clemson at 10-2? or an undefeated acc champion? No way clemson gets in over a one loss team.
W/ bowl game, ACC needs to grab best at-large team. BE/MWC/INDY or best fab4 team they can grab.
Aligning against MWC might be best bet.
What a I saying?!!! Get the **** out of the ACC and stop worrying
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