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..... even more important for teams in the ACC & Big East than ever before. If a team in one of those 2 conferences loses even one regular season game, they are eliminated from any chance at getting in the playoffs.
Let me ask you this, in 2014, when the structure is in place for the playoff, assuming that the Big 12 is at its present membership numbers, how does it expect to get a 1 loss team or even an undefeated team in the playoffs without the SOS boost that will come from playing a Conference championship game if its not a Texas or Oklahoma in a that position?
The structure as it is being presented indicates a higher premium on SOS as conference champions isn't a requirement. So Lets play the game in 2014, a one loss Clemson squad that played 9 conference games, out of conference games with UGA and South Carolina of the SEC and only one patsy, plus winning the ACCCG is going to get bypassed by a Texas squad thats has one loss playing 8 conference games, North Texas, BYU, and UCLA and some other likely patsy on their schedule with no championship game? I don't see that happening.
The Big 12 now needs expansion as much as the ACC needs to hold on to Clemson and FSU. I want us in a football conference but as presently represented the current conferences are not miles apart in any other way but the money in your contract versus ours. I just wish certain folk would stop looking at notre dame as a saviour and realize that they are a succubus on the system as a whole and more of a symptom of whats wrong with the way College football's rewards are doled out.
I think another important point is that being the ACC Champion may actually mean something by 2014 if Miami and FSU are winning again; Clemson holds it own against USC, UGA & Auburn; and teams like NCST, UVa, and MD stop playing dead.
Yes, because Texas plays Baylor,KSU,OU,OSU,WV, and TCU. That kills the ACC SOS.
This is preseason and just one guys opinion, but it shows UT's SOS as stronger.
Phil Steele has published his 2012 college football strength of schedule rankings. Notre Dame has the toughest schedule in 2012, while UTSA has the easiest.
This post was edited by HookemDTX 22 months ago
How long can Snyder keep coaching? KSU will be mediocre again when he is gone. Baylor will also fall. I believe the other schools listed do have staying power and are probably better than anything an ACC school could play in conference. That is why OOC scheduling is so important for Clemson and the ninth conference game must be eliminated.
I'll be shocked if the 9th game is eliminated.....Swofford sold his soul to ESPN for the 9th game and unless you restructure the entire deal the 9th game isn't going away.
".....they are not miles apart in any other way but the money...."
the ugly girl isn't much different than the pretty girl except she's ugly...she's still a girl
my uncle isn't much different from my aunt except he's a man
the man who is poor isn't much different from the rich man except for the money part
It's friggen amazing what Snyder has done there. I think you might be surprised by Baylor. They will be ok as long as Briles is there.
I honestly feel the Big 12's ten teams will have 7 or 8 good teams per year. They are all really well positioned with admin support and resources.
I don't think he's far off. It would take a minor miracle for it to happen.
2014 is a long way off, I am saying that its not likely a one loss Clemson squad would be left out of a playoff in leiu of a one loss Texas squad when our OOC schedule and ACCCG would be SOS lifter's.
That's why the odds are stacked against the BE/ACC. CU's OoC schedule would have to be against true powerhouses to have a chance. What would really be crazy is to see an undefeated ACC team left outside the top 4.
That lift is likely offset by being forced into 9 games against Syracuse, Maryland, Wake, BC, and others who weigh you down. Only historically strong teams you play every year is FSU (who you'd likely move with), NC State which isn't elite, and GT.
THIS. There's no way to overcome the weak conference games.
Yeah. Essentially the ACC power teams would be in TCU's MWC position. Quality foes like BYU, Utah, and AFA weighed down by crap on the other end. The crazy thing is all 4 of those and BSU had computer rankings on par with the ACC power schools as they all ranked in the top 30 or so. BSU, TCU, and Utah were top 10 or top 15.
Our OOC schedule will be USCe, Wofford, and a ball state once we add Syracuse every year...
FSU and GT could easily be our best conference games in years without VPI or Miami on the rotation...
The Big 12 didn't have a conference title game last year and was the #1 conference in terms of Strength of Schedule. Yes, it was ahead of the SEC.
We can talk about OOC and SOS all we want but the bottom line is this.... What does Clemson (and FSU) do to take control of their own futures and take matters into their own hands? Hopefully not stand idle and hope for the best...
2012 strength of schedule models
1- Texas #12 Clemson #33. In the first model Oklahoma St, K State and OU are in the top 10. Fwiw Clemson has the highest rated SOS in the ACC in this model.
2- Phil Steele SOS
3- Phil Steele ACC SOS breakdown
#9 Miami (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: Bethune-Cookman)
#33 Maryland (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: William & Mary)
#35 Duke (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: NC Central)
#39 Wake Forest (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: Liberty)
#40 Syracuse (toughest opponent: USC/easiest: Stony Brook)
#41 Boston College (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: Maine)
#44 Virginia Tech (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: Austin Peay)
#48 Georgia Tech (toughest opponent: Georgia/easiest: Presbyterian)
#49 Clemson (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: Furman)
#51 Virginia (toughest opponent: TCU/easiest: Richmond)
#61 NC State (toughest opponent: Florida State/easiest: The Citadel)
#70 Florida State (toughest opponent: Clemson/easiest: Savannah State)
#76 Pittsburgh (toughest opponent: Virginia Tech/easiest: Youngstown State)
#85 North Carolina (toughest opponent: Virginia Tech/easiest: Elon
College Football strength of schedule power rating page.
As part of his annual college football preview, Phil Steele
The Angry Clemson Fan | 247Sports
Average of 23.00
ACC average of 47.92
3 ISU (Iowa, Tulsa, FCS Western Ill)
7 Baylor (SMU, ULM, FCS runner up SHSU)
11 KU (NIU, Rice, FCS So Dak St)
16 TCU (SMU, UVA, FCS Grambling)
20 OU (UTEP, ND, FCS FAMU)
22 OSU (Arizona, ULL, FCS Sav State)
31 WVU (Maryland, Marshall, FCS James Madison)
34 KSU (UNT, Miami, FCS Missouri St)
36 Texas (Ole Miss, Wyoming, horrific New Mexico)
50 Tech (FBS move up Texas State, horrific New Mexico, and FCS Northwestern State)
We aren't scheduling tough in non-con and it isn't mattering. The 9 league games we play carry us.
Texas Tech playing as easy as they can get for their three noncons are higher in SOS than 5 ACC programs while pretty much doing the best they can to get an easy schedule. The next lowest SOS (Texas) is higher than 11 of them. There is no comparison IMO. Without Miami's #9 anomaly we'd have 7 programs with a higher SOS than any ACC program.
It seems pointless to compare hypothetical strength of schedules before any games are actually played. The actual results from the non-conference games are what matter the most and what ultimately determines the strength of schedule for the various conferences for a given year. If TCU were to lay an egg against UVA, Maryland were to defeat WVU and Miami were to take KSU to the woodshed, and the other ACC teams performed well in their non-conference games, the ACC's SOS would be higher than the Big 12 teams.
The hubris of the Big 12 fans acting like this conference is so superior to the ACC is pretty rich. Iowa State, Baylor, and Kansas are not good football teams in most years, and for that matter, neither is KSU.
The numbers support the Big 12 position. You are right that BU, ISU, KU, and KSU are inconsistent. That said the league as a whole has always had good depth in any given year and in terms of average ranking surpasses what the ACC does as a whole.
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