Cemetery Hill

Being from OK, I really don't think there are very many people "in power" in Oklahoma who DON'T want Clemson and FSU ... He includes Bob Stoops, but Bob doesn't shy away from competition ... just check their OCC year in and year out to see that.

Now, Texas, is a different story. As you will soon realize, they don't like ANYTHING that doesn't completely tilt the field for THEM in some way. They HATE competition ... and would love any situation that gives them an "easier" shot at the MNC game ... So, I can see UT being afraid of adding FSU and Clemson and using the "dilution" story to cover-up their REAL fears ...

ZeroU and aggy fans talking trash about Texas? I am completely shocked.

For the record, most WVU fans DON"T want Pitt in the Big 12. Just go read our message boards if you question it.

As far as what will happen, I don't truly know. I do know the Big 12 money dwarfs the ACC with the additions.

Ideally, I would like to see ND, Clemson and FSU for sure. Then try to make a run for VT 1st and after that, a toss up with NCST or GT. As soon as the first domino falls, most ACC schools will be scrambling to find a new home. Heck, as soon as Clemson and FSU leaves, we might as well refer the ACC as BIg East version 4.0

I think there is some truth in your post about UT, but only as it pertains to the CCG. Since we have tried to take you to every conference that we looked into, we either don't view you as competition, or your arguement has some holes in it.

I also think UT was in favor of adding TCU. They provide one more game in DFW where parents can drive to watch their kids play. Helps us shore up the top in state recruits, especially those in DFW. TCU is not competition for recruits and never have been.

If by naive you mean that Dave Brown (ESPN) telling me to my face that they aren't repricing tier 1 and Chirs Plonsky and Deloss Dodds saying the same thing, then I guess so. Texas and OU have their own tier 3 deals and won't be part of a conference tier 3 package any time soon so that really leaves tier 2 and Fox. Fox has no contractual obligation to reprice the contract. The SEC just added the state of Missouri and Texas and didn't get a new deal, what makes you think the Big 12 will? Unless the TV networks have a complete brain fart like ESPN did with the LHN, then I doubt it happens.

Ok here is the wierd POV that puts me at odds with a lot of fans in the Big 12 and elsewhere. The landscape of college football is changing and I think for the better. The big change coming is a playoff system and the end of the BCS. The longer term changes are going to be an expanded playoff and the end of the bowl games as we currently know them. While the playoffs are small (4 teams), playing in a huge ferociously tough conference makes it more likely you won't run the table and get in the final four. Smaller conferences with an easier path to the final four make more sense under this system.

I understand a fans desire to see a parade of great programs every week during the season. I also know that statistically your odds worsen as the league expands with more good teams. Your odds also get worse if there is a championship game.

To make one last point, I don't think ND is going to be pushed by the playoffs. Most Big schools don't want the conference champion model +1 right now. They are supporting 4 at large bids. My sample size for saying this is hearing it first or second hand from a couple of coaches and 2 ADs. Just to add logic to it, If you were in a conference that doesn't get an automatic bid, would you vote for a deal that excludes you?

There's nothing that points to Texas not wanting Clemson and FSU. Yes they are posturing. Keep in mind adding these two takes a little power away by adding new votes to the pot.

Fsu is far from a regional school. We are no ND but our national TV rankings, even after a decade of mediocrity are top tier. FSU can deliver the Florida market to the big XII as well.as open up the state for the big XII to recruit on equal footing with the SEC. ND is the top prize for any conference to get, they get mote tv sets than anyone, but FSU would be a prize for any conference to get. Clemson is a solid program but make no mistake......FSU is the acc team the big XII wants.

I am beginning to believe that you are an idiot. No one is talking about repricing tear 1. The tier 1 contract expires in 2016. Rather than wait until that date to negotiate a new contract ESPN is negotiating now. you don't have to speak to Dave Brown to understand that basic fact. You posted on the Longhorn board that since the SEC got such a lucrative deal by adding A&M and Missouri, Texas would not support an addition to the Big 12 that didn't give a similar big payoff to the primary deal. After I posted how completely wrong you were, you seem to be changing the drivel that you spout on a dime.